Odd Man Out - East Carolina & Big East ExpansionPosted by Jazon on Jun 19 2008 8:07 am.Filed under BladenWire. |
Update: Hey Boneyard Banter. I had no idea anyone would find this. If anyone is wondering who I am, I’m Capt Lolbeard on the boards, the son of a former East Carolinian sports writer back in the 70’s (known by the nickname Doctor Zee), and a Sophomore Honor Student at ECU. I kept hearing all this talk about expansion so I figured I’d post my analysis about it. Hope you guys liked it.
Summer is a very interesting time of year. It is a time of graduations, longer days, shorter nights, and is also the exact moment when the conference expansion rumor mill starts spinning so fast, it almost flies off its hinges. In the past, expansion rumors were just that, rumors, but all that changed in 2003 when the Atlantic Coast Conference expanded, pillaging and looting their rivals the Big East. This would set off an expansion wildfire that quickly escalated to Conference USA, who refilled its depleted ranks through the MAC and WAC. When the smoke cleared, East Carolina was once again left at the altar, as many teams like South Florida, who didn’t even play football prior to 1997, were admitted into the Big East ahead of them and obtained the much coveted BCS label.
With the resigning of Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese after this year, the expansion wildfire may once again be close at hand. The conflict between the basketball and football members is something that the new commissioner is going to have to deal with, and soon. Depending on who that commissioner may be, the conflict may only get worse from here, resulting in a split along basketball and football members.
Realistically, there is only one choice for the Big East to save itself: either Big East Football expands to have between 9 and 12 teams (10 being preferred,) or the football and basketball schools will be forced to split and form new conferences.
The question remains, if the Big East expands, who are the likely candidates? All kinds of blogs, sports analysts and crazies recommend all kinds of candidates, but are any of them realistic? Out of the possible choices, you can automatically discount schools that have already left once before. Virginia Tech, Miami, Boston College and Temple left for their own reasons and I doubt that within the span of three to five years that they would change their minds. Schools that are already in BCS conferences are equally as unlikely. It doesn’t make sense for an SEC or Big Ten school to abandon all that money just to settle for less.
You can also discount any I-AA football program. Why would the Big East want to take a school that it would have to mold into a I-A program instead of picking one of the many available choices? It’s like going to the grocery store and buying some pumpkin seeds for Halloween instead of a whole pumpkin. Sure, you’ll have the pumpkin down the road, but you won’t have it when you need it and you have no guarantee of how big it’s going to be and how long it’s going to take.
It is even more unlikely that Notre Dame will want to give up its status as an independent in football. Notre Dame has its own television contracts, the ability to schedule who it wants, an automatic shot to the BCS during eligible seasons, and doesn’t have to go through a conference championship to get it.
This leaves a few teams right on the cusp. Of Conference USA, East Carolina and Memphis seem to be the most likely candidates, whereas teams like Central Florida and Marshall can expect heavy protests from sister universities South Florida and West Virginia. It is expected that FedEx will support Memphis in its bid, but the dark horse in this race is Pepsi and its relationship with ECU. Coca-Cola prides itself on being the official soft drink of the ACC, so what happens if East Carolina brings Pepsi along for the ride? Not only will you be establishing television markets in the ACC’s backyard, but you will be bringing along a large corporate sponsor competing directly with an ACC sponsor.
The Big East could try adding teams from the MAC or a transitioning team like Western Kentucky, but my argument about I-AA schools is also applicable here: why build programs when you get obtain established ones with a history of bowl attendance?
In all the madness, one fact remains: the new commissioner is going to have to do something to mend the conference or the sun may finally set on the Big East.

On June 19th, 2008 at June 19, 2008 12:46 pm
East Carolina U and Pepsi joining forces is just what the Dr. ordered. How could the Big East not want a traditionaly football first school like ECU that just happens to be in the Acc’s (Conference NC’s) backyard? This makes too much sense. http://www.betsuperior.com
On June 19th, 2008 at June 19, 2008 1:20 pm
What a great idea! The Pirates are ready and would be the best addition for the Big East.
On June 19th, 2008 at June 19, 2008 2:36 pm
This makes a lot of sense. Pepsi and ECU have partners for a long time. Pepsi was born in Eastern North Carolina and the Minges Bottling Company is one of Pepsi’s largest distributors. ECU plays basketball in Minges Coliseum. ECU can bring Pepsi and a lot of money to the Big East. ECU currently has plans to expand the football stadium to over 50,000 with corporate suites and hospitality areas, with plans to reach 60,000. That size is on par with every current Big East school.
This makes a lot of sense.
On June 20th, 2008 at June 20, 2008 9:37 am
I think that ECU would be a decent choice. I don’t understand the I-AA argument though. This is precisely the model that Connecticut football has followed. The Huskies were a I-AA team as recently as 1998 and they were the supposed “Big East co-champs” in football this year (even though they got embarrased by the champs by 30+ points).
Any new Big East teams for football will come out of the MAC or C-USA. I would say the most likely candidates are Central Florida (don’t underestimate the Big East’s desire to stick it to the ACC by trying to get more of the Florida market), ECU, Delaware or Appalachia State (if they want to make the jump) and Memphis.
Ps - Full disclosure … this is coming from a Boston College grad/fan.
PPs - thanks for Coach Jags and Logan. They are great football coaches and we like what they did at ECU.
On June 20th, 2008 at June 20, 2008 8:47 pm
The problem with I-AA schools is that they’re highly unpredictable. You could find a diamond in the rough, or you’re going to find out that what you thought was a diamond is actually quartz. You’ve got no guarantee that the program will even be able to compete in I-A, let alone be successful in it. UConn is a special case, because the stars happened to align as they made the jump and they managed to have a very good coach to help them make that jump: Skip Holtz.
Central Florida has a major obstacle to overcome to get admission into the Big East, and that’s South Florida. The Bulls hate them and don’t want to play them ever again. Those are some pretty tough words, and I don’t expect them to change except by power of legislature.
On June 21st, 2008 at June 21, 2008 1:45 pm
If ECU can seriously get Pepsi to join on as a sponsor then they’re a no-brainer. And if Memphis can get FedEx as a sponsor and get the Liberty Bowl to jump onto the Big East wagon that’s also a no-brainer. The Big East would expand, add new markets, a powerful basketball program, a New Year’s Bowl, a presence in one of our bowl’s territories (the Tire Bowl), two good to solid bowl teams, two strong sponsors, etc.
On June 21st, 2008 at June 21, 2008 1:50 pm
There is zero chance of Appalachian State or Delaware joining the Big East, so people can erase that. And the Big East couldn’t care less about sticking it to the ACC by taking Central Florida. Beside, if the Big East really wanted to stick it to the ACC they would take ECU, since ECU would hurt four or five of their teams, a significant chunk of the conference, in football. The Big East will not take anyone out of the MAC.
On June 21st, 2008 at June 21, 2008 6:27 pm
I was not gonna comment on the Pepsi thing because I don’t know how closely tied Pepsi is to ECU, but my first thought is “Why would Pepsi care one way or the other what ECU does.
The key point everyone seems to forget is that Mike Tranghese does not/did not make the decisions in the Big East. The school presidents are the ones making the decisions, Tranghese just sorts it out so to speak. He is a good leader, but most Big East fans will debate you on that one way or the other.
As far as conference expansion goes, the Big East doesn’t have to do anything right now. The BCS is set until 2014. No one even questioned the Big East’s membership at this past month’s recent BCS meetings. With 3 straight BCS bowl wins, I think our BCS affiliatin is locked up for now.
The Big East will not expand for expansion sake. The Big East signed a very lucrative deal with ESPN/ABC last year for basketball and football. If there were to be a split, the question of a lot of NCAA tourney credits would be forefront in the conversation. Also the Big East brand name (which may hold the tie to the BCS berth) would be a tough call as far as who can lay claim to it as charter members of the conference belong to both football and basketball. Breaking up would lessen the appeal of the basketball only side, and the Big East members have no desire to hurt their brother schools. Right now the basketball schools have a voice in the BCS because our commissioner represents both sides equally. If there were a split, the basketball only schools would become another Atlantic 10 also ran basketball conference. Losing Georgetown and Villanova would also be tough pills to swallow as far as the football side goes in basketball. Those a good markets you would esentially be throwing away, and you have to ask yourself if adding an ECU or UCF for football worth losing Georgetown in basketball.
The best bet is for a football only invite, and several Big East coaches have voiced their support for this. Unfortunately the coaches don’t make the decisions, and with the way coaches come and go these days, less school administrators are willing to heed the advice of a coach that might be gone the next time they win a bowl game.
ECU is one of the candidates for expansion, I think we all agree that they have to be included in the conversation. However UCF and Memphis are strong possibilities. Nothern Illinois was once discussed as well, because the Big East has a Chicago presence in basketball already.
The Big East is not in a postiion to go picking fights with other BCS conferences, and jumping into someone’s backyard just to spite them is not a good idea and the Big East presidents realize as much.
The best thing ECU can do is continue winning in footall, climbing up the ladder and making itself as attractive as possible. Stadium expansion is a plus, but so is attendance, taveling dan bases, bowl attendance and participation, winning, market, academics, geography facilities and relationships.
Keep doing what you are doing. There are no guarantees, but at the same time you will stand a better chance if you prepare yourself for the poissibility than if you throw up your hands and quit.
The current line up of the Big East was set up to establish a viable option to split in the future, IF that option became necessary. Right now the conference is doing well and I look for the commissioner and the schools presidents to ride it out until something changes that.
Expansion is not a necessity at this time.
On June 21st, 2008 at June 21, 2008 11:46 pm
This article is flimsy. “Cited” evidence for expansion is pure conjecture:
1. So, because Tranghese is retiring, then the next commissioner is going to HAVE to deal with expansion, AND SOON??? Why?
2. Where does is suggest that the basketball only - and the football only schools in the Big East HAVE this massive conflict? (Things have gone very well for both sides. There’s absolutely NO evidence that there’s conflict there.)
3. And, WHOEVER this new commish is, it MAY make things worse between these “factions” forcing a split — what????
So then THIS statement is made — (which makes no sense at all):
Realistically, there is only one choice for the Big East to save itself: either Big East Football expands to have between 9 and 12 teams (10 being preferred,) or the football and basketball schools will be forced to split and form new conferences.
How exactly is splitting a conference SAVING itself??? That makes no sense.
Why are 10 schools preferred exactly?? 9 is a better number — 4 home and 4 away games in football, and 16 game round robin in basketball. THAT is perfect.
East Carolina is on the short list of expansion candidates. But they have some work to do to be at the top of that list. Memphis and Central Florida are ahead of you at this point.
On August 28th, 2008 at August 28, 2008 2:47 pm
All this talk about Pepsi and Coke. I am an ECU fan and I drink RC Cola.
On September 9th, 2008 at September 9, 2008 1:34 pm
ECU is a no-brainer now after beating #17 Virginia Tech (defending ACC Champ) and #8 West Virginia (defending Big East champ) on consecutive weeks. It shows ECU can compete at the highest level. A C-USA championship and a BCS berth will solidify this.